Wednesday, August 24, 2005

what would a place called 'protein wisdom' be about?

posted at (hawk ((territory or at least hawk)) tolerant) in order to teach them a lesson about taking chickens to market (it's a highly offensive thing to do also known as hawking); if people turn down your hawkishness and you don't set them free you'll find yourself taking them back home to roost. 66th comment:
excuse me, but don't most wars get fought over
A: command over testosterone-driven hierarchy heigtening search for honour and prestige?
Aa: Does the winning team have to prove it's the most violent team; can the most violent team call itself a winner
B: retaliations perceived as offensive enough to escalate these diabolic staple feeds for fundamentalities?
Bb: aforementioned 'reasoning' taken as excuse to appropriate that which the targeted party doesn't deserve/know how to use, etcetera?
C: another vicious circle: scarcity brings on the misconduct of war which causes even more of them.

Logic dictates that allowing ourselves the luxury to stop wars might leave us with enough time on our hands to start abundance; to open rock isn't just to create or shape space, but time too.
wars are fought over scarcityallowing ourselves the luxury to stop wars is easy once we start abundance . . turn war around into raw .. . turn putting life to death around into feeding life with death; feeding death into life is ever so easy; sprinkle the right sort of dust (most any fresh rockdust will do into a summer puddle big enough to last a few days and presto: reduced oxides, hydrocarbons at the humble end of a laaaaarge loooong bewildering strange trip of a chain and fresh oxygen bubbles peeping out of the freshly slipperizing stuff of life.

I don't know how much more clearly I need to say this; perhaps Cindy Sheehan's son, as his death was approaching, would have grasped the concept if he and the other six of his pals who died could have been afforded a time out somehow and by some miracle read one of the umpteen times I strewed this message around (including soldier's blogs); the company killed hundreds that day by the way according to a colleague of his who is quoted on proteinwisdom.comPosted by: p at August 23, 2005 05:19 PM (hyperstition timestamp applies to the unchanged last two alineas a day earlier; for what else I posted at protein wisdom see )

Friday, August 19, 2005

Cambodja's greenery vs Middle Eastern deserts

Is that what makes, constitutes and slips us the difference in scale of nonetheless, after discounting that, may well be very possible if not perfectly comparably genocidal mayhem?

You be the judge. .. . .to help you imagine the pictures to go along with variously arrived at viewpoints; heres a few 'vantage' points (by way of LBO-talk list posts from this month; the substance of this post also appears at the bottom of in blazing colour):

----------- Yo, Lance, looking through books on Cambodia yesterday at the Denver PL, legendary Australian Communist journalist, Wilfred Burchett, in a book from the 80's co-published by Vanguard Books (a M-L press) and Zed, the rad left third worldist UK publishers, has chapter headings and repeated usages of Khmer Rouge w/o scare quotes. And I betcha if you trawl though microfilm of the (NY) Guardian, you will find many contemporary usages by the radical left of the phrase Khmer Rouge. You still think that the genocide of the KR was exaggerated?!
Facing death in Cambodia / Peter Maguire. Author Maguire, Peter (Peter H.) Publisher New York : Columbia University Press, c2005.

The China-Cambodia-Vietnam triangle / Wilfred Burchett. -- Author Burchett, Wilfred G., 1911- Publisher Chicago, Ill. : London : Vanguard Books ; Zed Press, c1981. Description 235 p. ; 21 cm.
Title Kampuchea : decade of the genocide : report of a Finnish inquiry commission / edited by Kimmo Kiljunen. -- Publisher London : Totowa, N.J. : Zed ; U.S. distributor, Biblio Distribution Center, 1984.
Cambodia, 1975-1978 : rendezvous with death / [compiled by] Karl D. Jackson. Publisher Princeton, N.J. : Princeton University Press, c1989
The Khmer Rouge regime took control of Cambodia by force of arms, then committed the most brazen crimes since the Third Reich: at least 1.5 million people murdered between 1975 and 1979. Yet no individuals were ever tried or punished. This book is the story of Peter Maguire's effort to learn how Cambodia's "culture of impunity" developed, why it persists, and the failures of the "international community" to confront the Cambodian genocide. Written from a personal and historical perspective, Facing Death in Cambodia recounts Maguire's growing anguish over the gap between theories of universal justice and political realities. Maguire documents the atrocities and the aftermath through personal interviews with victims and perpetrators, discussions with international and NGO officials, journalistic accounts, and government sources gathered during a ten-year odyssey in search of answers. The book includes a selection of haunting pictures from among the thousands taken at the now infamous Tuol Sleng prison (also referred to as S-21), through which at least 14,000 men, women, and children passed-and from which fewer than a dozen emerged alive. What he discovered raises troubling questions: Was the Cambodian genocide a preview of the genocidal civil wars that would follow in the wake of the Cold War? Is international justice an attainable idea or a fiction superimposed over an unbearably dark reality? Did political expediency allow Cambodian leaders to escape prosecution? The Khmer Rouge violated the Nuremberg Principles, the United Nations Charter, the laws of war, and the UN Genocide Convention. Yet in the decade after the regime's collapse, the perpetrators were rescued and rehabilitated-even rewarded-by China, Thailand, the United States, and the UN. According to Peter Maguire, Cambodia holds the key to understanding why recent UN interventions throughout the world have failed to prevent atrocities and to enforce treaties. Book jacket. -- Michael Pugliese ------------

Yo Mike... There are other cultures of impunity that should concern us:

Results 1 - 10 of about 44,000 for "culture of impunity". (0.04 seconds)

Specifically... but not exclusively:
(We should all repeat that as a mantra... no matter WHAT country we call home, stop pointing fingers at OPP and maybe... just maybe, we'll survive as a species till the next millenium.)

------------ The genocide in Cambodia was when the US air force dropped half a million tons worth of bombs on the Cambodian countryside. The US government/media stopped trying to sell the "KR is evil" story in 1979 when they did a 180 turn and began backing the CPK. Lance ------------

Recently in a source sympathetic to Vickery, your main source from a Cambodianist, I saw the estimate of 375,000 tons of bombs dropped by Nixon's USAF on Cambodia. THE Genocide? There were two, one big, the former you refer to, and the much larger, up to 1.5 million killed by the KR. Googling, I found an interesting thread, w/ this ghoulish subject line, "The Murder Sweepstakes." Which contains the figure Vickery arrived at, KR executions, 200,000-300,000 Total (excess deaths, presumably) 750,000.

James Devine, in his reading of my post w/ the cites on the KR/"Democratic Kampuchea", thought I was slamming the third worldist UK press on the rad left, Zed, specifically the Finnish Inq. Commish, can't through his broken record perception of me, see that I was applauding the Zed book and the judgement of their editors. They came up with the estimate of Finish Inquiry 75,000-100,000, executions, 1,000,000 deaths committed by the KR. Anyone with a good estimate of the numbers killed in Nixon's bombings, either from Shawcross or other source? Would it be anywhere near a tenth of the total killed by the US and French, 2.8 million killed Vietnamese? Anything comparable to what what the KR committed? Or will Lance, for the zillionth time relate the tired line that the KR (before the massive bombings, a sane national liberation movement like the NLF, HEH) was driven kwazy by the bombing?

What troubles me in Lance's pov, besides his inability to see ALL mass murders, as crimes, whether committed by the USG and allied regimes, or regimes and movements, that proclaim their opposition to the USG. (But, those deaths can always be excused w/ Mao's dinner party, and breaking eggs to make omeletes lines.)The left response to Jeanne Kirkpatrick's apologia, "Dictatorships and Double Standards, " article, for authoritarian regimes aligned w/ the USG, was that whether one is shot by a pro-American autocrat or a (formerly, as of post '89-'91) Soviet aligned totalitarian, one is still dead regardless. Only one, "Great Satan, " at a time, eh. mp -- -----

Why can't there be multiple villains? By bombing the hell out of the countryside, the US killed so many people and destabilized the country so much that an insane group like the KR could take over and kill many more people. It's true that after the US killed many hundreds of thousands of people, they don't have a big moral leg to stand on in talking about others' butchery in Cambodia, but that doesn't make the KR any less murderous.

------------ You say the CPK killed many more people than that killed by the US's dropping of hundreds of thousands of tons of bombs, that they were butchers and murderous...yet there is very little evidence to support any of that. Not that there wasn't and isn't a lot of talk about that - then again, there is a lot of talk in the US that POW's are still being held by the Vietnamese. All US post offices are required to fly the POW/MIA flag six times a year. Are you a believer in that too? Is the butchery of the CPK the same as the butchery of the Vietnamese depicted in Chuck Norris "Missing in Action" movies, a butchery of American prisoners supposedly still held by the Vietnamese? I doubt it. Cambodia was aimed at a high-brow audience, POW/MIA at low-brow. When it comes down to it, the people offering the idea that the Cambodian communists killed people on a massive scale have almost nothing to offer. They offer the last census taken in Cambodia - in 1962 as proof (which wouldn't count people killed by the US bombing of course, but that's best left forgotten). Or the testimony of English or French-speaking Cambodians in Thai refugee camps, chosen to talk to reporters by the Thai authorities. That's the story offered - and when compared to something like the records for the Nazi holocaust, is a joke. The story doesn't add up, so it's best not to talk about the story, and talk about the people saying the emperor wears no clothes as crazed or whatever. Which becomes harder when you ask why the US supported the CPK after 1979, why would the US get behind what you term an "insane group". I mean, this is all nonsense, it's a common heritage of delusion between white American yuppies, like heaven and hell are for those who are a class or two down. Lance ------------

So Noam Chomsky is too hard on the Khmer Rouge? Noam said: >I mean the great act of genocide in the modern period is Pol Pot, 1975 through 1978-that atrocity-I think it would be hard to find any example of a comparable outrage and outpouring of fury and so on and so forth. ... ------------

Did you actually read this page? Later he says: "Up until April 17, 1975, it was a gentle land of peaceful smiling people and after that some horrible holocaust took place." Is he actually saying Cambodia was a gentle land of peaceful smiling people prior to April 17, 1975? No, he is being sarcastic, obviously. If you read the whole page you can find out what he thinks. He was not a supporter of the KR, in fact, he didn't like them at all, but he thought, and still thinks, that the reporting of them was overblown. He wrote a book with Edward Herman called "After the Cataclysm" which included a long section on the reporting of Cambodia, especially how things with little or no evidence were printed once and then picked up and reprinted all over the place, often mischaracterized. I see very little difference between the KR hysteria and the POW/MIA hysteria. They seem to be some kind of psychological outlets, sort of like the Dolchstosslegende after Germany's defeat in World War I (which probably had more basis). There's no there there, so obviously this fills some kind of psychological need in the US. Lance

------------ I've always called this "Chomskyan sarcasm." If you read enough of his writing you should get the hang of this tone of voice. The problem is that some of his critics take everything Chomsky says literally. Whatever, they don't matter. Chuck0 ------------ Winter 2000, long article by the AP reporters. The Bridge at No Gun Ri Parts of the Associated Press report reprinted here appeared in many American newspapers last fall, but we didn't see the entire report anywhere. It is a powerful document, an unusual piece of investigative journalism, and one that has had significant political consequences. The U.S. Army is now investigating the allegations made by the soldiers quoted here (after long resistance to similar allegations by Korean civilians). There should be an official report in late spring or early summer of this year. Anticipating the discussion certain to follow upon the report, we include with the AP dispatch comments by Michael Walzer and Marilyn B. Young on the political and moral meaning of the incident at No Gun Ri. Eds. Sang-Hun Choe, Charles J. Hanley, and Martha Mendoza Marilyn B. Young wrote, "The Vietnam Wars; 1945-1990" a New Left volume. Blurbed, "A People's History of the Vietnam War" by a UK SWP'er. Good read esp. for those who might romanticize the North. In a series edited by Zinn for The New Press. -- Michael Pugliese

Saturday, August 06, 2005

about the mainest rainbow gathering will stream in germany

TAZ 04. August 2005:Nebenan, in der thüringischen Rhön auf der hohen Löhr, ging es dagegenheuer um die ewigen Hippiewerte: Die etwa 900 Leute umfassende"Rainbow-Family" versammelte sich dort vier Wochen lang - ungenehmigt -zu ihrem alljährlichen großen europäischen "Gathering".

Translation:Nearby in the Rhön in Thüringen on the "Hohe Löhr", it was about theeternal hippi values: The 900 or so people of the "Rainbow Family"gathered there for 4 weeks - without permission - for their yearly bigEuropean "Gathering".

Two slight mistakes:- the rainbow family is bigger than 900 people. Even at this gatheringthere were almost 2000 people a week before the full moon. And we allknow: everyone with a belly button belongs to the family ;-)- there was no official permission, but an inofficial one. All thelocals including authorities, hunters, owners etc. sort of consented tous being there.Love, peace and light, Bhajan Peter

Piet: I just might comment too but go ahead, don't wait for that to post yours ...


Then again, I don't need some ex-drunk to confirm there is more likely a lot of wear and tear in the world than the mind is inviolably high 'abover' matter.

... however, would you remain calm if .. .

A): a man you came as good as face to face with (8 years ago in an Amsterdam squat, flattened in the meanwhile, nothing, not even orchards and gardens can stand in the way of concrete, progress and 'luxury'), slipped a piece of paper with jotted impromptu handwritten notes plus web adress where@ over the next few years you proceed to post conversations, polemics and disputes with various apostles, proselytes and clones of his culty clubber kin club REFUSES TO SAY A SINGLE SENSIBLE THING that bespeaks his sensibility to the sharp nosed dogs like me, wide awake and paying attention!!!!!!

B): somebody recruits in the same school you try to tempt and trick into helping you to change course collectively, that is, in the most egalitarian sweat-equitous, contiguously territorial, iow, viably way possible.

C): somebody steals your thunder index2.htm scroll down a bit

D): somebody is calmly 'idolate' (transliteration from Dutch) of/about a person who was indeed pretty versatile (Muhammed [pbuhws] idiot savant number juggler, calendrist, trader, prophet, fighter and perp of a particularly reactionary ((with 'respect' to Judaism)) and virulent way of statecraftiness, that is, monopolization of violence ((getting big enough to never fail - getting strong enough to say: gimme that tax or else I won't bounce across the border and pounce on potential(((/prospective state protection/prod to pay tax enjoying))))) citizens -- making your offers irrefusible is making them as compelling a demand as highest ((best armed, not kindest, smartest or any such stuff)) authority can. Perfect coincidence of supply and demand; ain't the freeing markit something?). Anyway, Jose's sheeple don't have a clue about cultural clutter and friction, they're busy spinning favorable fiction and use suppose make believe pretend confirmation from the real world to fire their imagination onto the expresslane for the great hights attained by the great lights and their sin and soon enough jaded sorrow causing impatience tempts them into artificial tinkery and labconcocted psychedelics, the cerebral rocketry derived fake but extraordinarily quick fixes and otherwise dizzyingly speedy flash flair and hi-flying inflammations that delivers .. . fascination for starlight and the fast forward of pretending consciousness can be taken everywhere. THE ABSURDITY!!!!! A time to flower and a time to root but never will there be time for a flower to visit a root from the inside out. Never will humans be happy anywhere but here on earth .. . someday .. .. maybe.

on the fifth of august at this blog I wrote a little about and quoted the 'highest holiest ...' etcetera and now under similar moon phase conditions (though we slipped a glyph probably, maybe even two (won't get into how the 28 day cycles are supposedly an elegantly radial solution to the two measures we metermate the moon by - one larger and the other smaller than 28) to I return to the moonstruckest among the moonstruck (trying to correlate its cycles with all the others including galactic ones necessitates using some very fine fractions and people might mistake that for bragging).

Anyway, .. .. I am on (to) him again and am going to send a big challenge to his site but you'all will get a foretaste, here's the fresh intro to older stuff:

A collection of digital moments my attention happened to get turned to/on Jose Arguelles, 'tortugans' and kindred ilk (quite often I notice, this file (161K covers only a season, sept 03 - feb 04) -- first acquaintance stems from the middle eighties when his then recent manuscripts were some amongst those from many others maverick mindmold manies found and perused in Daniel Winter's house and I saw the dreamspell and early paintings of his some time later, then ended up on the Tor in 87 but other than my general sympathy and pity for your run of the mill touchy feely hippy I can't bring myself to join, despite the vast permanent rainbow in baja rumours to which job opp news from another front I watch sidled up:

160K later we enter part 2 of observations on yet another cult of absolutist claimants, the kind and kinky fractions fetish triggered bonds and feuds amongst a new age network with low and preferably even no budget but nevertheless global aspirations, ladies and gentlemen, your special attention for the greatest latest kin con.

The credibility conjury by these con kin features the added twist and spice of claiming Muhammed for an equal (never mind the prophet himself tried to cut off all competition preemptively by telling everyone he was to be the last.I can believe that instead of coercing women they somehow felt as strongly about him as he thought highly of himself and so they just fell at his feet in series of bunches and generously shared him and only him while reserving their attention for only him to though due to the fragmentation of their great numbers they must have had plenny of time on their hands.

Judging from your charisma mr arguelles, you don't make the grade and that's only a very minor fault of yours in my eyes.

Over the last few years I have again and again examined your antics and decided to collect them in one place, for greater conveyance convenience, redundancy and challenge; the continuation of my interest depends entirely on you answering at all since I am losing interest quickly here.

Thursday, August 04, 2005

Ever heard 'Stairway to heaven' by Frank Zappa?

here's your chance (I don't see how operator Jorn Barger calls this a pirate version type search unless it just don't apply to any old song, since this one just isn't such a one).

Hang on .. . here we go, spoke too soon.

Have you heard of the big green gathering?

First reports of this year's edition are in (at lawrence's place).

Been goin' since the 70s (see for very rainbow gathering like images from those early days). one hell of a humongous collection of UK festival pictures taken by a conventional enough looking young black man with a camera filtered eye for the artistic and uncommon who gets to them on trains and with a small bicycle for the last leg to and first leg from such events. A welcome addition to the old tash man of course. Here are his impressions from a gathering with a lake besides plenny of sky water images-bgg-2002.html
tangentially related:
out on a limb even further: .. . . .We dined in a hollow cottonwood tree- True but forgotten story of the first europeans on turtle island