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 Creative Rituality at Etruscan Archaeological Sites in the Frame of European Rainbow Gatherings 2021
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Katri Ratia’s Connected to the Past: Creative Rituality at Etruscan Archaeological Sites in the Frame of European Rainbow Gatherings examines how participants in Rainbow Gatherings—a global, non-hierarchical countercultural movement—create spiritual rituals at or near ancient Etruscan sites in Italy. Through ethnographic research, Ratia shows that these gatherings combine ecological ideals, communal living, and open, participatory spirituality that values practice over doctrine. The participants view archaeological ruins not as historical artifacts but as living, sacred landscapes infused with “Earth energy” and ancestral meaning, reinterpreting the past through collective imagination. Their rituals—anchored by the Sacred Fire, lunar cycles, and shared meals—blur boundaries between heritage, spirituality, and daily life. While these practices foster social unity and creativity, they also raise subtle ethical tensions between spiritual engagement and archaeological preservation. Ratia concludes that Rainbow rituality exemplifies a fluid, polyvocal tradition that continually reinvents the connection between people, nature, and history through communal, imaginative acts.



i cannot remember the name of that multi-lingual scholar guru who claims jesus was a bodily fluid expert and ritualizer [a healer more than a revolt leader taken to the fort chester, the quantanamo equivalent of the roman empire .. no doubt as heavily infiltrated as the british one has proven to be .. for those with eyes to see an an 8th sense to avoid ai psyoperatrices].

jesus was a bodily fluid expert, amon says
Ammon Hillman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dY-roDpHWI
i already did this 2M/? by Danny Jones .. by the time i get back there [it's over 3 hours] by a guy with an over 300 Ep catalogue] ... after the next set of pastes regarding SDM .. i see it got 25,878 Comments


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a site obsessed with ufos/aliens

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 Ancient Language Expert: Jesus Christ Used Children as Drugs | Ammon Hillman
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Dr. Ammon Hillman earned his MS in Bacteriology and Ph.D. in Classics from the University of Wisconsin Madison, where he specialized in Ancient Greek and Roman medicine and pharmacy. His
first book, The Chemical Muse, was published with St. Martin’s Press immediately after his dissertation committee forced him to delete all references to recreational drugs from his thesis. Dr. Hillman was recently investigated by the Vatican for demon possession and portal opening while teaching as a professor of Classical Languages.
OUTLINE:
00:00 - Religious history
11:24 - Tal Megiddo excavation
16:39 - Original meaning of "Christ"
17:51 - Neuro Peptides
23:25 - Ancient pharmacology; John Scarborough
28:23 - Galen (Marcus Aurelius doctor) 
33:44 - Drugs in ancient Rome
38:02 - Chemical Muse
47:11 - Greek Septuagint VS Dead Sea Scrolls
55:57 - Greek drug cults
01:03:08 - Solon & the creation of democracy
01:10:21 - The ancient Bible
01:16:40 - Greek came before Hebrew
01:19:08 - Interpreting ancient texts
01:24:15 - John Marco Allegro
01:28:39 - Why the Greek language is superior
01:33:59 - The "Purple"
01:38:23 - Christian Cults & Revisionism
01:46:49 - The Christ
01:55:52 - Zeus
02:05:59 - The Garden of Gethsemane
02:16:46 - The 'Burning Purple'
02:27:52 - Death of Jesus
02:41:31 - Using the human body to produce drugs
02:43:58 - The men crucified next to Jesus
02:52:08 - Demon possession & opening portals
03:02:03 - Alexander The False Prophet
03:08:46 - Lucifer: the dawn bringer
03:17:38 - Modern Enlightenment

Ancient Language Professor Reveals REAL Jesus Christ

Ancient languages hold profound secrets about our past, revealing surprising insights into historical figures and cultural practices. Amon Hillman, an expert in Greek and Roman languages, recently shared his knowledge on the Danny Jones podcast. His revelations about early Christianity and ancient customs challenge conventional understanding.

Hillman's expertise sheds light on the origins of familiar terms and practices. He discusses the earliest depictions of Christ, the meaning behind religious titles, and the role of women and children in ancient societies. His insights provide a fresh perspective on historical texts and their interpretations.
Key Takeaways

    Ancient language study unveils unexpected aspects of historical figures and practices

    Early Christian texts contain surprising details about religious figures and their followers

    Ancient societies had complex customs involving religion, medicine, and social interactions

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Amon Hillman's Danny Jones Podcast Interview
Interview Subject

Amon Hillman is an expert in ancient Greek and Roman languages. He authored a book titled "Chemical Muse" and appeared as a guest on the Danny Jones podcast.

Key Topics Discussed

    The origin and meaning of the title "Christ"

    Hillman's claim that "Christ" is a pharmaceutical term related to drug administration in the eye

    Descriptions of Jesus and the apostles in ancient texts

    Hillman's assertions about the ages of the apostles, describing them as teenagers rather than bearded adults

    Religious practices in ancient Cyprus, including festivals dedicated to Aphrodite

    The role of priestesses in ancient religious ceremonies

    Historical views on relationships and sexuality in ancient cultures

Hillman presented controversial interpretations of religious texts and historical practices. He discussed the etymology of religious terms and their potential connections to ancient medical practices. The interview covered a wide range of topics related to ancient cultures, religious traditions, and linguistic interpretations.
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The Origins of Christ's Portrayal
Analyzing Early Visual Representations

The earliest known depiction of Christ diverges significantly from modern imagery. Ancient artwork portrayed him as a crucified figure with a donkey's head. This unexpected representation challenges conventional perceptions of Jesus's appearance.

"Christ" originally functioned as a title rather than a name. In Greek, it held pharmaceutical connotations, relating to the application of substances to the eyes. This process, known as "christening," involved mixing earth with saliva to create a medicinal paste.

The gospel accounts describe Jesus using similar methods in his healing practices. He reportedly used a mixture of soil and saliva to treat certain ailments, particularly those affecting vision.

Ancient texts present the apostles differently from traditional portrayals. While often depicted as mature, bearded men, original descriptions suggest they were much younger. Jesus reportedly referred to them as children, indicating a significant age difference between him and his followers.

Some historical documents mention Jesus spending time in tombs with young male companions. This practice, while potentially shocking to modern sensibilities, may have been more commonplace in ancient cultures.

Religious festivals in places like Cyprus involved rituals that seem unusual by today's standards. Annual ceremonies dedicated to Aphrodite required married women to participate in practices that modern societies might view as controversial.

These historical details provide context for understanding early Christian traditions and their evolution over time. They highlight the vast differences between ancient cultural norms and contemporary interpretations of religious figures and practices.
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Exploring the Title 'Christ'
Greek and Roman Linguistic Origins

The term 'Christ' originated as a pharmaceutical designation in ancient Greek and Roman languages. It referred to a specific method of drug administration, particularly involving the application of substances to the eyes. This practice, known as 'christing' or 'christening', involved the use of spittle mixed with earth to create a medicinal paste.
Pharmaceutical Applications

In ancient medical contexts, the process of 'christing' was a recognized therapeutic technique. Practitioners would combine saliva with ground materials to form a mixture applied directly to patients' eyes. This method was believed to have healing properties and was documented in various historical texts. The practice extended beyond mere medical use, intertwining with religious and cultural rituals of the time.
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Examining Ancient Texts
Jesus and His Deeds

Ancient texts describe Jesus performing unusual acts. He reportedly approached individuals and spat in their faces. This action, while shocking by modern standards, held significance in the context of the time. The texts portray Jesus using a mixture of earth and saliva, applying it to people's eyes. This practice was linked to a concept called "christing" or "christening," which originally referred to the application of substances to the eyes.
Young Disciples

The traditional image of Jesus's apostles as older, bearded men contrasts with descriptions in ancient texts. These documents portray the apostles as much younger individuals, often referred to as children or boys. James and John, for example, are described as youths Jesus encountered on a boat. The texts mention Jesus spending time with young companions in various settings, including tombs.

Ancient Greek and Roman societies had different norms regarding relationships between older men and younger males. These practices were intertwined with religious and cultural traditions. For instance, on Cyprus, annual festivals involved rituals that modern observers might find unsettling. These customs were deeply rooted in the worship of deities like Aphrodite and played a role in social and religious life.
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Historical Background
Social Customs and Rituals

Ancient Cyprus hosted unique religious festivals tied to the worship of Aphrodite. These events involved practices that might seem surprising by modern standards. Once a year, married women faced a choice: shave their heads as a sign of mourning or participate in a public ritual involving intimate encounters with strangers. This custom was viewed as a form of devotion and healing.

The concept of priestesses played a significant role in these rituals. These women, sometimes referred to as "children of Venus," were considered sacred figures within the religious and medical systems of the time. Their activities were seen as an integral part of worship and societal norms.

Greek and Roman cultures had different attitudes towards relationships and sexuality compared to contemporary societies. What might be viewed as taboo today was often accepted or even encouraged in certain contexts. Religious festivals and customs often blurred lines between the sacred and the profane.

Ancient texts and archaeological evidence provide insights into these practices. However, interpreting this information requires careful analysis of language, context, and cultural norms of the time. Scholars continue to debate the exact nature and significance of many of these rituals.
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Women and Children in Ancient Society
Social Standing in Classical Times

Women and children occupied complex positions in ancient Greek and Roman cultures. Their roles varied depending on the specific time period and region. Women often had limited rights compared to men, with restrictions on property ownership and political participation. Children were viewed differently from modern perspectives, sometimes treated as small adults rather than a distinct developmental stage.

In religious contexts, women could hold important ritual roles. Some cults and festivals gave women opportunities for public participation not found in everyday life. Children sometimes served as assistants or initiates in religious ceremonies.
Connection to Aphrodite Worship

The cult of Aphrodite involved unique practices related to women and sexuality. On Cyprus, an annual festival allegedly required wives to make a striking choice - either shave their heads or spend a night with a stranger in service to the goddess. This ritual emphasized Aphrodite's association with love, beauty, and fertility.

Priestesses of Aphrodite held respected positions in some locales. They conducted rituals and were seen as embodying aspects of the goddess. The cult's focus on female sexuality and procreation gave some women a degree of religious authority, even as their broader societal status remained limited.
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Language and Classical Studies
Differentiating Between Linguistic and Philological Approaches

Linguistic studies focus on general aspects of language, examining how languages function under various circumstances and exploring their basic mechanics. Linguists often investigate language patterns across cultures and time periods.

Philology, on the other hand, concentrates on specific languages and their historical development. Classical philologists specialize in Ancient Greek and Latin, analyzing texts and inscriptions to understand the language, literature, and culture of ancient civilizations.

The distinction between these fields lies in their scope and methodologies. Linguistics adopts a broader, more theoretical approach, while philology emphasizes deep analysis of particular languages and texts within their historical and cultural contexts.

Classical philology combines linguistic expertise with historical and cultural knowledge, allowing scholars to interpret ancient texts accurately and gain insights into the societies that produced them. -------------------
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Morton gets 72 months
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single poster 'thread' by Decker - Sep 18, 2017 
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Sean D Morton & Wife - GUILTY
...the Internal Revenue Service seeking millions of dollars in refunds and used bogus financial instruments as a way to pay off debt. Sean David Morton, 58, and his wife, Melissa Ann Morton, 50, each were convicted of one count of conspiracy to defraud the United States, two counts each of...
---------------- Bob Watson Post #6 Apr 11, 2017 Forum: The Best of Dark Matters Radio 

Gene Steinberg
Your Paracast Newsletter — August 27, 2017
...On this episode, Ecker talks about some of the unsavory characters he's encountered in the UFO field over the years, including Sean David Morton, Dr. Steven Greer, Kal Korff and Stan Romanek. Both Morton and Romanek have been convicted of crimes. Ecker will also talk about such subjects as...
------------  Gene Steinberg Thread Aug 27, 2017 Replies: 3 Forum: The Paracast Newsletter 

Decker
More on Sean D. Morton
...Would you take financial advice from a psychic? People around the country have given SEAN DAVID MORTON millions of dollars to invest. He says he can make you rich using his psychic powers. Morton runs something called the "Prophecy Research Institute." He's a popular radio personality and is...
---------- Decker Thread Mar 20, 2010 Replies: 4 Forum: General Freewheeling Chit-Chat 

May 23rd - Sean David Morton
Sean David Morton is a fake, a sham, and a fraud SDM is a person around whom exists a cult of personality. He's a charismatic "nice" guy with an intersting backstory--he was psychic to start out with, he went to the Himalayas to study in some ancient temples which unleashed his potential (the...
----------- Gil Bavel Post #2 Sep 27, 2008 Forum: The UFO Forum 

ChrisJohnsen
Sean David Morton... Fugitive From Justice!
...Revenue Service seeking millions of dollars in refunds and used bogus financial instruments as a way to pay off debt. Sean David Morton, 58, and his wife, Melissa Ann Morton, 50, each were convicted of one count of conspiracy to defraud the United States, two counts each of filing...
----------- ChrisJohnsen Thread Jun 20, 2017 criminal fraud fugitive sean david morton Replies: 20 Forum: General Freewheeling Chit-Chat 

Decker
United States of America v. Sean David Morton
...for as long as I have been, I have seen more than my fair share of the real money grubbing bull shit artists. Here is one of them, Sean David Morton. However it appears that Morton has garnered the ire of the United States Govt. in among other things, tax fraud. April is when it is time for...
----------- Decker Thread Mar 27, 2017 Replies: 3 Forum: The Best of Dark Matters Radio 

Kieran
May 23rd - Sean David Morton
Sean David Morton is a fake, a sham, and a fraud Has he been on the parcast, i vaguely remember that he was? , Didnt he make predictions about stuff that was complete rubbish. It only take's one false prediction to make him a fraud, More than one makes him a looney.:eek:

    Kieran Post #3 Sep 27, 2008 Forum: The UFO Forum 

George Noory on SciFi Channel Tonight
...if there is a chance, search the subject on the web and stuff like that... And one time i saw that you guys are having "Sean David Morton" on, At first did not understand how could some people that cliams that they are not every other show out there and how we do ask the questions that no...
------------ Casual Paracast Listener Post #19 Jun 17, 2007 Forum: General Freewheeling Chit-Chat 

Decker
A Rob Simone EXCLUSIVE
For any of you that may be interested, SEAN DAVID MORTON ! ! Don WORLD EXCLUSIVE! SEAN DAVID MORTON - for the first time speaks on the Rob Simone Talk Show about his federal indictment - June 21st! Listen FREE 4pm PST ABC news Reported: Just last week Morton was charged with investor...
---------- Decker Thread Jun 15, 2010 Replies: 12 Forum: General Freewheeling Chit-Chat 

Decker
On Sean David Morton & the SEC
Here is some updated news on Sean David Morton and his ongoing battle with the SEC. ufowatchdog.com: Judge Orders Sean David Morton to Appear Decker
--------  Decker Thread Dec 31, 2012 Replies: 14 Forum: The Best of Dark Matters Radio 

Don Ecker: December 29, 2013
...the fabricationon British intelligence, which wasn't really biting. The UNDEAD HOAXERS theme was interesting, but I kind of like Sean David Morton. He didn't really do anything all that bad, just dabbled in foreign exchange. He's a likeable fellow living in poverty, but not the kind of...
-------storge Post #12 Dec 30, 2013 Forum: Talk About the Show 

Royce Meyers of UFOwatchdog has had enough
...asked for his comment on it. Huh? Yep, I sent Bell an e-mail asking for his side - surprise, surprise, surprise - just like I did Sean David Morton, "Dr." Reed, Ed Dames, and others. And, yes, Linda Howe directly told me during a phone conversation I had with her that was what Bell said...
-------ufowatchdog.com Post #22 Jun 24, 2007 Forum: The UFO Forum 

Decker
Sean David Morton .. BAGGED!!
Well, the major question is ... did Morton's gut get in the way of outrunning the Feds? Morton .. bagged! ufowatchdog.com: Morton's Run As Fugitive Comes to Predictable End Decker

    Decker Thread Aug 24, 2017 Replies: 22 Forum: The Best of Dark Matters Radio 

Gene Steinberg
May 23 show
Thanks for posting those links. Yes, David and I have read that information and a lot of it can be regarded as shocking for folks who aren't aware of the background of this story. We recommend all of our listeners spend the time necessary to read that material.

    Gene Steinberg Post #7 Jun 3, 2006 Forum: Talk About the Show 

David Sereda now an END TIMES guy
...like 2 teenagers under the highschool bleachers. Y'know, sometimes a good spinmeister or nut case is fun to listen to, but David was just annoying, like someone jackhammering on the street outside your bedroom. If Bruce Goldberg and Sean David Morton could breed, David could be their...

    ArizonaWill Post #7 May 3, 2008 Forum: General Freewheeling Chit-Chat 

Mulvaney
Any Evidence of Authentic Predictions?
I would be curious if Mr. Morton was able to predict that on December 20, the federal court would order him to appear for a February hearing on SEC charges that he defrauded investors of almost six million dollars (as UFO Watchdog so ably reported.) For that matter, did Ed Dames predict that...

    Mulvaney Post #113 Dec 27, 2012 Forum: Seers 

trainedobserver
Mike Bara :P
..."I would like to acknowledge these special souls who loved, helped, and or supported me during the writing of this book: ... Sean David Morton ..." Need I say more? If it all boils down to The Quality Of The Messenger, then where does that leave Mike Bara and his claims? Bara is unable to...

    trainedobserver Post #17 Sep 24, 2012 Forum: Talk About the Show 

May 23 show
re: "Sean David Morton" The web page ufowatchdog.com has a great deal of information on Mr. Morton. The result of a short reading on the site suggests that Sean David Morton is a flake at best. Check out these sub files on ufowatchdog.com: <http://www.ufowatchdog.com/mortonfiles.html>...

    Atlantin Post #6 Jun 3, 2006 Forum: Talk About the Show 

Gene Steinberg
Your Paracast Newsletter — May 8, 2016
...to unearthing the facts. So early on, as we were getting our feet wet, we presented an episode featuring discredited psychic Sean David Morton. My original co-host, David Biedny and I quickly realized he was making it all up. So in one telling segment on that episode, he claimed to have...

    Gene Steinberg Thread May 7, 2016 Replies: 2 Forum: The Paracast Newsletter 

Gene Steinberg
Your Paracast Newsletter
...or lack thereof. UFO Watchdog became nothing if not controversial. Indeed, one of the people placed in the Hall of Shame, one Sean David Morton, filed a defamation lawsuit against Myers. Fortunately, logic and reason prevailed in the courtroom, and Morton lost. But UFO Watchdog was strictly...

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Todd, are you aware [did you noted that teensie weansee 'notes' passage in my vast oevre, .. if you ever even looked, can't be too sure#] regarding bulletin boards in natural foodstores .. and the occasional drygoods only 'reform' ones, when crossing 'dry' territory during travels .. devoid of, talentless regards and nontolerant towards 'grippie' related sinseeabulleti ..

# - by contrast, it's clear to me you never looked back much, once you succeeded disentangling yourself from the rapid spiked code floods .. which in a way i a shame cause now we have kiwifarms with an ailing and orphaned self sufftard // autonoman / secedor topic forumsection instead of a site that keeps up on the Balletin Boreds of CoOps around the cuntree ... a feature that gave me pause, pleasure, momentum and direction .. something to look forward too, crossing 'redneck' stretches of semi wasteland ... or spookspoiled regions ... you know the type.


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Nick Land is a British philosopher living in Shanghai. Nick is one of the main figures in the school of thought known as accelerationism. He is currently writing a book about the philosophical implications of Bitcoin. We talked about accelerationism, cybernetics, ideology, the evolution of Nick’s perspective, Deleuze and Guattari, emancipation and dehumanization, artificial intelligence, capitalism, Moldbug, mathematics and the significance of zero, religion, blockchain/Bitcoin, Kantianism, synthetic time, and more.

5th minute [or thereabouts]: "horseshoe" [minute 8 2 15 3x as it turns out]
.. and indeed, neither of the simply 'polinary' ends/ideals can manifest without the ones of the other but one doesn't realize this until the switcheroo between beginning and end is noticed .. and this entire convo is faithful to the thought experiment of integrating blocks of time with flows of space .. the time of impossible border patrol necessary when the time comes to quarantine urbanities in order recallibrate and blunt their all too ...'ubiquirite sprite' [kwi or kwy, that's the proof of urbanity's unscalability, hidden from radial rectificatons wether voluntary or imposed {palestinians managing ziopenwalls and tsjekpillaryposts or not}], their all too prickly spikestudded spite on and from books kept grudgeful and full of unbalancing acts n pacts are just so many bitters gone wrong .. or in the wrong hands .. like monkhoards broken into by addicts.
Urbanity's gone tox verzion's last stands are unwell unwalls .. tecwalls protected and defended with hyperproductive runaway phatnins failin the getaway grade ... cause just 'empheminate' fake up bafflements and all stage arts formacezionz.
First choice of a con fee dense for last stand there from where it's nowhere hence
Nick says blockchain doesn't scale off planet ... but he's talking about urbanism ... the micro blockchainlike quality compost that is my choice for scaling only as far as you care to throw it hasn't even been tried as accessorator to test wildest convolition factors imaginable yet, let alone as tickle attractor for the para incarnate colors of electricity that come and go without being wrapped and deathknelled if not aborted from getgo plastic to spastic pipeline all arraora and arrear.


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 just sort of wrap this this long tirade into a sensible
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punchline is this not the perfection of critique into a state in which lying or
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spatial displacement becomes finally non-relative or impossible

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that kind of circuitry becomes dysfunctional and and and ceases to to
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obtain what is unique about zero you think that kind of unlocks something
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like why would the arrival of zero specifically perhaps be a candidate for
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for the profound shift that occurs the most striking thing about the the
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explosion of modernity in in all of its dimensions is it has this immensely
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mathematical character you know and when you're saying look when it has has a
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modernity erupted yet you're looking
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well you know if you're looking at the Natural Sciences you're looking about the fact that it's about the mathematize
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ation of theories of nature if you're looking at business you're looking at
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obviously the absolutely fabulous explosion of these systems of
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Accountancy that were completely unprecedented in like scale and complexity and sophistication before
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obviously you know technology similarly
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it's to do with applied mathematics and so you know on one level the arrival of
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of zero in the culture is the arrival of a truly functional mathematics you know
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just out of that arithmetic or semiotic and and if you go back the other way you
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can say well you know so you know if in the mirror when we're talking about
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maternity is a singularity where we'll actually engage in a study of social
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control systems dampening devices
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inhibitors a whole you know exotic flora
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and fauna of these systems for the constraining of explosive dynamics and
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it seems to me clearly in the Western case one what we can see retrospectively one
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crucial inhibitor mechanism was the the radically defective nature of the
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arithmetic or semiotic that was then dominant in in the way and so again you
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know we're really talking about sort of negative phenomenon that zero just
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liquidates a certain system of semiotic shielding
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that is kind of dampening down certain potential processes
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you know the pre-modern world view can be sort of thought about as an
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artificially constrained scale of the
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relative values and magnitudes of things right this is perhaps most famously
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encoded in the notion of the great chain of being so if we we kind of just very
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crudely simplified the pre-modern world view as this as this worldview in which everything has a place well everything
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has some sort of positive value in other words starting at zero and going up to God or something like that yeah I never
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so everything in the world everything that's real everything that exists you know has a has a some value greater than
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zero in some sense and those values are known they're enforced by traditional authorities and you know they even make
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a good deal of sense relative to human heroes yes about what is valuable and
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and attractive and what's not and so that can actually work fairly well in a
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limited way for some time but what's interesting about that is you can see it
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as as a kind of suppression of of zero
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in some sense or it's like what it doesn't quite what it's not quite a what
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it's not quite able to intuit is that in fact the number line goes from you know
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negative infinity to positive infinity and there is a you know smack-dab in the
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middle of that a unique quantitative value of zero that actually has no value
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whatsoever and I the reason why I I think that this way of thinking about it
1:43:29
might be relevant or just useful heuristically is because it seems to me
1:43:35
that part of the catastrophe of modernity as it unfolds especially for a
1:43:40
kind of human experience and you know our our ability to process what's
1:43:45
happening and to you know interact with each other in and at all healthy and sustainable
1:43:52
ways there's this very peculiar symmetry or kind of really chaotic chaotically
1:43:58
cycling nature to to intelligence where it really is kind of the basis of all
1:44:04
good and debate and the basis of of much that people call evil and I wonder if you know your idea about zero has
1:44:12
something to do with this because in some sense you can think of the pre-modern worldview enforced by traditional authorities as as keeping a
1:44:19
kind of forced lid on precisely that that chaotic cycling around the zero
1:44:25
point the liberation of mathematics is kind of the unmooring of rationalities
1:44:35
ability to anchor itself ethically it seems to me that the the pre-modern
1:44:40
traditions and especially that you know the world religions perhaps I have in mind Catholicism in particular is almost
1:44:47
you can really read it as precisely one dedicated solution to that very problem
1:44:54
and perhaps that's why zero is unique if in fact your hypothesis is right because
1:45:00
it sort of makes possible this this chaotically perverse you know symmetry
1:45:06
around around the number line or something like that where you started off it seems to me it's worth isolating
1:45:15
in itself because it is it's super convincing even before you then spin it out into the into the larger picture
1:45:22
which is which is this question just about the scale of available magnitudes

zero?? Habemus plapperwheel splishouri splash splaT!!! but do not look behind the mathematical runway stage curtains or you might put your notice on it by accistance ... nothing more cultic to see here than mathematrix

. 20m more ... missed some after the middle i guess .. but it's fairly repetitive .. set it back to 1h24 from 2h40 ..

capital is critique ... in the age of plotting cytokine storms in order to finally get a 'grip' ie control, ie guaranteed sure fire profits / privacy illusion believable enuff to be uncontested cause muted to hell never to emerge from a[ ]gain?
"inhibitory operators" ?? you can say that 'a gain' .. as he does in quick succession around halfway ...



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1:43:56 ---- Cath-Pilled Shoplifting Theory with Dasha Nekrasova of Red Scare
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she beats 3 yarv vids, all a year younger ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jptIRGN1TcM&t=152s
Mark Fisher vs. Nick Land featuring Nicholas Blincoe
Zer0 Books and Repeater Media
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noncomprehending prepper Re Vietnamese bushcraftess

asians are, feel and think different ... perhaps to them a thumbnail copy is an expression of belonging, aspiration and/or admiration ... a tribute, not theft.

If they make copies of their channels, diluting rankings and so on ... it's perhaps cause they look at the throttling of viral / taboo subjects in the west where the grounding was 'let go of' / lost! in the nineteenth century under pressure of 'feminotional' personification and anthropofixation .. asfixiates and short circuits the wider chain of beings, sacriligious corner cutting for quick profits to the point of present toxicity levels finishing the invasive phase and present as inescapable [to those with the courage to look]. Whitie captured by a desert death cult of 'DYSCERNMENT

 

 

'09/10 ----- 4Storm  ---- k199 --- 20/03: {lot}
 FAKE CHANNELS - Bushcrafter reaction to Vietnamese woman bushcraft and survival skills
Robs Bushcraft Commentary
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I was surprised by how many fake channels I found while researching for this video. Bushcraft and survival skills by a Vietnamese woman with a dog and monkey 🙄 Primitive fishing, trap making.

If you want to check out the original video that I commentated on and reacted to in this video you can check out her video from her channel "Wild Beauty / Off Grid" here:    • Detecting wild boar - craft some primitive...  

If you'd like to check out my bushcraft channel you can head to Robs Bushcraft and Adventures here:    / @robsbushcraftandadventures   

AGAIN ... 

asians are, feel and think different ... perhaps to them a thumbnail copy is an expression of belonging, aspiration and/or admiration ... a tribute, not  theft. 
If they make copies of their channels, diluting rankings and so on ... it's perhaps cause they look at the throttling of viral / taboo subjects in the west where the grounding was 'let go of' / lost! in the nineteenth century under pressure of 'feminotional' personification and anthropofixation .. asfixiates and short circuits the wider chain of beings, sacriligious corner cutting for quick profits to the point of present toxicity levels finishing the invasive phase and present as inescapable [to those with the courage to look]. Whitie captured by a desert death cult of 'Dyscernment'

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_0RBCQmbtY
my vietbomb 

Nick Land Responds to Tucker Carlson

follow up to previous post: 

https://rotsstof.blogspot.com/2025/10/nick-land-discussed-at-compact-mag.html

 Various Things That Are Really Significant To This Administration. You 1:02:14 Know, He He Kind Of Wants To Argue You Can Have A Kind Of Radical Free Market Liberalism But In One Country Like The 1:02:20 Anglosphere Can Have Radical Free Market Liberalism But Then You Know You Can 1:02:26 Protect That Within Tariff Walls I Guess And Then You Know Russian Society Can 1:02:31 Have Another Economic Order That's More Reflective Of Its Sort Of Ethnicultural 1:02:37 Uh Disposition.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFAjIB8Uwtc
 Hard Landing
Compact Magazine
441 subscribers --- Oct 7, 2025
Two years have pass since the start of the war between Hamas and Israel, Trump battles with Chicago and Portland over the deployment of National Guard troops, and philosopher Nick Land stirs up controversy. Ashley Frawley and Geoff Shullenberger join Matthew Schmitz.

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CARLSON FLYNN LAND

top 'bilin' on my search is a short reffed, clean thing by an islamist
https://bliis.org/essay/nick-land-accelerationism-and-techno-occultism/



PD on epiwar .. fiskin carlson on jews .. his daddie was jewish .. but it's britpire gins' poah liddul joooowz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYOu7zlPSSs
done 1h22 of 2h11


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riEmAfKm3gI
34s Flynn: Land "less intesting" once he discovered Lilly [the dolphin mkultra guy]

.. the episode linked at beforeitsnews.com which also makes first page on ddg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0twXWWdt9NU
Nick Land Responds to Tucker Carlson
The Dangerous Maybe
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In this episode, I'm once again joined by Nance and Nick Land. Here, Nick shares his thoughts on the Tucker Carlson video we were mentioned in. In that video, Tucker interviewed Conrad Flynn about Nick's ideas on the occult, capitalism and artificial intelligence (the title of that video is 'The Occult, Kabbalah, the Antichrist’s Newest Manifestation, and How to Avoid the Mark of the Beast' — I'll share the link below). At one point, Conrad mentions the video Nance, Nick and I did on the Numogram (link below). What follows is Nick's response to Tucker and Conrad. 

Tucker Carlson: The Occult, Kabbalah, the Antichrist’s New...  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_czibJylWs&t=4000s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J86C4IJTaFw
Nick Land vs. Aleksandr Dugin Debate | Guests: Nick Land and Aleksandr Dugin | 10/6/25
Auron MacIntyre
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Nick Land discussed at Compact Mag

earlier Ashley on this blog almost a month ago: 

https://rotsstof.blogspot.com/2025/09/my-fave-thus-far-by-dr-ashley-frawley.html 

One 36:07 of the funniest things that's occurred in the kind of gradual excavation of 36:15 countless littleknown right-wing thinkers since 2015 is the sudden 36:20 emergence of Nick Land on the uh Tucker Carlson show. 36:27 um not not an appearance by him but instead an explanation of his work uh as 36:33 a window onto our you know present situation. So Jeeoff what what is the um 36:42 purported relevance of Nick Land in terms of the account of him that's being presented to a mass audience and then 36:48 what's your own understanding of his work? So Nickland is in the limelight because of an interview 36:56 on Tucker Carlson's show with a guy named Conrad Flynn, who I'd never heard of before, but seems to be somebody who 37:02 thinks that various elites, including Hollywood elites and tech industry elites, are involved in some sort of 37:08 occult esoteric religious practice and belief and 37:14 specifically are attempting to channel demons. Now, you know that this this would lead us 37:21 down a whole other rabbit hole because there are plenty of other people who think this, but um I had not come across 37:27 Flynn's particular version of it. What's notable here is that he gives pride of place to Nick land 37:33 because he argues land is incredibly influential in Silicon Valley. 37:39 And basically he shows Tucker a uh a graph which was 37:47 designed by Land and some of his collaborators in the '9s that they called a numog which is essentially a 37:54 kind of cobalistic numerological chart although it looks a little bit like um 38:00 like some kind of um you know circuit diagram. So it it could it could be 38:06 mistaken for a kind of technological or technical graph, but it's which which I think you 38:13 know and and this kind of gets to the point is part of the point. It's it's both a tech it looks like a technical 38:19 graph, but it is also a kind of occult uh numerological 38:25 depiction of some sort of or or an instrument for conjuring some sort of um 38:32 entities from the beyond. And so Flynn's basic argument to Tucker is that 38:38 land for several decades is a figure, a sort of cult philosopher who has argued 38:44 that the the significance of the emergence of artificial intelligence is that it is a kind of channeling of other 38:50 worldly, you know, perhaps demonic or spiritual entities. 38:56 and that many people in Silicon Valley read and are interested in land and Flynn 39:04 concludes, you know, therefore many of the people in Silicon Valley are themselves attempting to use AI to 39:10 essentially summon up demons. So, and indeed he has a few pieces of evidence 39:15 for this because uh Elon Musk himself has said at various points that when we, 39:21 you know, build AI, we are summoning the demon. So this is this is a kind of theme that you've seen. It also ties 39:28 into recent uh discussion around uh you know t sort of Elon Musk's fellow PayPal 39:36 founder Peter Teal being very interested in the figure of the antichrist. And so 39:41 this kind of spiritual dimension of AI discourse has has come to light in in 39:48 various ways recently. So what was interesting about this Tucker episode was that, you know, many 39:53 people who are part of or privy to certain online subcultures were just 39:58 shocked by the image of Carl. You know, there's an already very memeified image of Tucker holding this numog, which is 40:06 kind of an iconic image from Nick Lan's output and just looking in his typical 40:11 puzzled way at it. And so this has become a kind of meme. And I suppose what was what was notable here was the 40:17 kind of mainstreaming of this this cult sort of underground figure, 40:22 you know, through his um appearance on this, you know, mainstream conservative show. 40:28 So, you know, who is Nick Land? Nick Land, interestingly, starts his career 40:34 as a what what might be, you know, derisively called by some on the right a 40:40 postmodern neo-Marxist, we might say. He basically is is interested in the work 40:47 of various French uh philosophers most notably uh 40:53 Jill Duloo and Felix Guatari who in the 1970s write this pair of books 41:00 anti-edipus and a thousand plateaus that attempts to kind of reformulate the 41:08 the theories of of specifically Marx and Freud. and put them on a new footing. 41:16 And you know for our purposes what's important is that many people in the 1990s are and so they you know introduce 41:23 v dul andqatari introduced various concepts including the virtual which they're thinking about really before it 41:29 becomes a way of talking about technology. Um they're interested in networks. They're interested in 41:35 decentralization uh in what they call the ryome which is a kind of network at which any point can 41:42 connect to any other point which they counterpose to what they call the arborescent structure which is that of a 41:49 a sort of hierarchy a treelike hierarchy where everything branches out from a single trunk. And so they introduce all 41:57 these concepts and then the 90s many of these sort of academic philosophers land 42:02 among them start applying them and using them to think about what's going on in the digital sphere. And so that's really 42:10 where land kind of first comes into the conversation about technology. 42:16 But whereas many of the people who take this kind of idea take it in a a sort of 42:22 in the direction of essentially the kind of left-wing anti-globalization movement of the 1990s. And here I'd note the 42:29 figures of Michael Hart and Antonio Negri who write the best-selling book 42:34 empire published in 2000 who are really you know likewise kind of taking the 42:40 ideas from Doo and Guatari about decentralized networks and you know the the shift of capitalism 42:48 to this kind of nomadic decentralized structure from which they conclude that sort of left-wing revolutionary 42:54 strategies also have to be decentralized and nomadic. And so all of these ideas end up feeding into things like the 43:00 Occupy movement with its rejection of hierarchical structures and leadership. 43:05 And so the point is a lot of these ideas about and you know this idea I think you heard a lot on the left this phrase the 43:12 disgust becomes a network uh in this period. And so the these a lot of these 43:18 ideas become part of a certain phase of the left in the 1990s and 2000s. But Lance takes it 43:26 in a very different direction which is that he ultimately uh you know in his 43:32 1990s writing he's very dismissive of sort of the old left because it's attached to the state you know this sort 43:39 of hierarchical dinosaur that is you know no longer relevant and he's very dismissive of of socialism 43:47 which he sees as a kind of attempt to constrain the proliferation the kind of unstoppable proliferation of digital 43:54 networks. And so he, you know, he outlines these ideas that later become called 44:00 accelerationism, which is essentially the idea that um, you know, the only important kind of 44:06 political cause is simply the acceleration of the 44:12 explosive tendencies of of capitalism and and the technologies attached to it. 44:19 And so the point is that he he sort of um takes these ideas in a direction that 44:25 that you know becomes really not about overthrowing capitalism but allowing 44:31 capitalism to realize its itself more fully. and he and this I'd say is where the 44:38 kind of um demonic dimension comes in because what he's interested in is the 44:44 idea that you know human cultures and societies over the course of history 44:50 have in various ways been built around trying to put the brakes on certain 44:55 runaway processes and prevent acceleration that you know essentially human societies have functioned as a 45:01 kind of stabilization system or to use the cybernetic term terminology. He he preferred a kind of um structures for 45:10 producing homeostasis, for preventing kind of runaway positive feedback cycles 45:15 as he called it. And so what he argues is that you know 45:20 ultimately you can associate this um you know the kind of taboss and and barriers 45:27 and and sort of prohibitive structures of of many societies up up to and including our own as ways of trying to 45:34 prevent these kind of runaway processes. And that you can also associate these runaway processes with some kind of 45:41 absolute outside that, you know, radically threatens and undermines, you know, what we think of 45:48 as as humanity and the human um, you know, sort of uh the human in in some 45:54 sort of stable sense. And so, you know, what he becomes interested in really sounds here like he might have in mind 46:00 um the, you know, St. Paul's epistle to the Thessalonians where you Paul talks about the the catacon or 46:06 the one who restrains um yes and there's this you know it's cryptic passage but you know there's 46:12 this idea that something is restraining the emergence of uh a kind of and you know 46:21 basically the the end of times you know there's some kind of restraining force that's holding off the apocalypse. 46:29 Correct. And so for land, you know, really the the mission at all points is is in some ways to kind of remove the 46:36 brakes from this process. And you can see this in, you know, he's not only 46:41 influenced by these philosophers, but by science fiction, specifically the works 46:46 of William Gibson and the films like Bladeunner and Terminator. And you know 46:53 maybe Terminator provides the clearest um illustration of this because for him 46:59 it's Skynet you know which is this kind of accelerative artificial intelligence that you know is the the representation 47:06 or embodiment of this kind of runaway process that you need to align yourself with. And you know this essentially 47:13 means and amounts to the the destruction of the human the destruction of humanity. 47:18 And you know for him this is something to be to be embraced basically. And so 47:24 you know and and it is something you can kind of connect to to the demonic or to 47:31 fears of the demonic. Um and so you know to to try to sum up here what what's 47:38 interesting is that you know he under goes very.... he leaves academia seems to have some sort of nervous breakdown um 47:45 ends up as an expatriate living in China but then in the early uh 2010s he 47:51 reemerges as a a participant in what was then the neo-reactionary blogosphere 47:58 and so he becomes connected to people like Curtis Yarvin and various other figures who become influential on sort 48:04 of the alt-right or the dissident right or these different strains that emerge in that period. And 48:12 what's if if you read his um his writings back then, you know, one thing 48:17 he's reflecting on is the kind of odd alliance that he is part of because he 48:22 describes himself at that point as a technocommercialist that you know essentially his his agenda 48:29 is about you know again removing the brakes allowing this kind of tech you 48:34 know technological singularity to realize itself through the operations of capital 48:40 and but he's allied with these figures who are you know basically ethnationalists and religious uh 48:48 reactionaries you know basically sort of integralist um you know sort of deis 48:53 vault types um and so he's he's often kind of puzzling over the fact of this 48:58 and you know what he basically accepts is that they all u they all have the 49:04 same enemy which is essentially you know which is what Yarvin in his mold bug era 49:10 designated as the cathedral, you know, which is basically the the sort of globalist progressive power structure 49:18 which for land the problem with which is that it is holding back ..... and and you know this does get to a kind of tension, 49:24 right? Because for him the problem is that it is holding back ..... it is it is dead set against allowing this sort of process of 49:32 capital to fully realize itself. that that for him the the cathedral the function of it is again to pro it's or 49:38 it's what he calls in his earlier work the human security system it's to create a kind of stability and homeostasis. 49:46 Now, you know, I suppose what what's kind of interesting is that many of the other reactionaries he's he's uh in 49:52 conversation with sort of think the opposite, right? They think that um the function of this of this cathedral is to 49:59 kind of dissolve traditional communities to um you know to kind of force these 50:04 new trendy things like transgender ideology on on people and so on. So, you 50:12 know, he's he's in alliance with people who really in some respects seem to think the opposite of him. And so, 50:18 that's, you know, that's kind of an odd thing about this. And so just to conclude, 50:24 you know, he's writing about this 10 years ago that like he's in alliance with these people who um on some level 50:30 agree with him that the cathedral, the the sort of globalist woke, you know, 50:35 liberal power structure is is the enemy, but at the same time who seem to interpret it in in more or less the 50:41 opposite way as him. And what's interesting to see is when Tucker is confronting him, he's doing so from I'd 50:48 say more with the perspective of the kind of religious traditionalist uh background with like a little bit of 50:55 the sort of the sort of ethnationalist side of things tinged into it. So he 51:00 really does represent these two other factions that land in his kind of radical accelerative 51:08 uh you know support for the disruptive tendencies of capitalism. 51:13 has been has been radically at odds with and you can see this at you know but has been at alliance with for all this time. 51:19 And so you can also see this in this um dialogue he did shortly after his his 51:25 the discussion of his work on Tucker with Alexander Dugan, the philosopher 51:30 associated with this sort of neo-urasian traditionalism 51:37 uh and often claimed to be a kind of leading ideologue behind Vladimir Putin's sort of national you know sort 51:44 of neoist uh or you know sort of Slavic nationalist ideology. So anyway, I made 51:50 I forced Ashley to listen to this interview or at least maybe she listened to part of it. So I'm curious if she has 51:55 any responses to the discussion between land and and Dugan. -------

----- Ashley:

 --- 52:02 Yeah. Oh, see now I find the demonology stuff interesting that you were talking. 52:08 It sounded like people were taking it literally. I thought that the demon was like capital and like the AI 52:15 technocracy. Isn't that what that is? And then he's kind of he's not literally talking about 52:23 Satan. It's like kind of like a philosophical literary way of talking about human- centered morality. 52:30 I mean description. Are there people who think he's literally

 52:35 I mean Land claims to be in ....

 or is he literally summoning? 

claims he 52:41 claims to be in communication with uh with uh interdimensional lemurs. Now, 52:48 lemurs here refers to a a story by William S. Burroughs, the ghost lemurs of Madagascar, but which in turn 52:55 connects to this um idea of a a leorian primal race that comes out of Madame 53:01 Bllatsky's, you know, sort of theosophical theories. And finally, the idea that lemur um you 53:08 know has its root in a word that in in Latin that meant ghost or spirit. And so 53:14 anyway, the point is he does sort of actually claim to be literally channeling demons. And he does also, I 53:22 think, understand capital. I mean, he understands capital as a kind of emanation of some sort of 53:28 interdimensional demonic force. And so, you know, the 53:34 reason all societies are so bent on on controlling it is because it is 53:39 fundamentally destructive and disruptive of the human because it comes from the outside. 53:47 And so that you know this is I think he takes this quite literally and you know 53:52 but for him the the demon is ultimately something that uh you know is is to be 54:00 sort of positively embraced as a as a a force that will you know push us beyond 54:06 current stasis and into this technoc capital singularity.

Ashley: 

 54:13 Do you know I ......  people like Nick Land really annoy me because although I struggle with it myself there they're 54:20 wonderful they're great philosophers who take really difficult ideas and communicate them in a clear way and then 54:26 there are philosophers who take really bad ideas and hide how bad they are by communicating them in a very unclear way 54:33 so you cannot tell whether or not they're being serious. -------------  Is he not just saying I for one uh welcome our robot 54:40 overlords? Does that not essentially like like boil it down because there's all this there's all these fears as well 54:47 in the sort of like AI doomer world that the AI is going to and doesn't have any 54:53 kind of stop built into it to stop it from using us for its own terms and that 54:59 seems to be what land is saying will happen or is happening that there is some kind of force that is using 55:06 humanity like he kind of flips instead of saying like humanity or like history is God's plan for man. Humanity is just 55:13 this raw material for this greater non-human intelligence. And this is kind of like the fear that um AI doomers have 55:20 that there's this it will you know it's it will use us for its own purposes kind of like matrix style of just like um 55:27 self preservation i.e. getting as much energy as possible to fuel itself. 55:33 So is he not just being like yeah and it's good? Yeah. Is he like the guy? 55:40 [Laughter] 

 

I I would not dispute that characterization. 55:46 Uh, you know, he's um I will say he's a very good writer. So he's, you know, I 55:53 think somebody who you can kind of learn things about the moments that he's writing in. I'd 55:59 say particularly, you know, the the 19 the 1990s he he 56:05 really um I think kind of correctly captures things about, you know, there 56:11 there's sort of all this um overwhelming optimism about the 56:17 trajectory of digital technology in that period really coming from across the political spectrum. And again 56:23 there's a kind of fetishization of decentralization and you know networks and things like 56:30 that that you can find as much on the right as on the left right as much on the really the in the establishment as 56:36 on the fringes. And so what's interesting to me is in his in his early work, he sort of takes that logic and 56:43 takes it to a very stark and sort of nightmarish place, which so it it feels 56:50 like it's kind of the bad dream or sort of nightmare version of the mainstream 56:55 positive discourse. And then, you know, in the early 2010s, 57:00 I think again, you know, we're at a high point where Silicon Valley is very aligned with like the Obama 57:06 administration. There there's again this kind of idea about digital technology being this, you 57:12 know, force for good in the world and, you know, a means of achieving all of these progressive ends and so on. So I 57:18 think again he comes in there and provides a very dark spin on the the 57:25 actual meaning of this technology which I think does you know whether you um you 57:32 know I think even if you find his evaluation of it quite disturbing and 57:38 and difficult to accept he does actually capture something that is you know being 57:43 excluded from the sort of mainstream discourse about these developments. at both these moments. So, so for that 57:50 reason I I do think he's an important figure, but he does also kind of raise 57:55 all kinds of problems for because I mean in some level I think you know the the dialogue between him and somebody like 58:00 Dugan you know Dugan has historically had a kind of connection to Steve Bannon. So, you know, to that extent he 58:07 represents a certain faction of the the Trump coalition, but then, you know, 58:13 Land is kind of tied to the techno accelerationist side of the Trump coalition. And so we actually what's 58:19 interesting is you know 10 years ago land is writing blog posts about well you know I'm in this blogosphere where 58:25 I'm like weirdly you know I just want the technoc capitalist singularity but I'm in this blogosphere with all these 58:31 people who want to like preserve traditional society and um preserve the nation and things like 58:37 that and so what does that mean and and what's interesting is now he's actually you know or his ideas have a certain 58:44 foothold in power and again that that sort of um extremely 58:51 uh difficult kind of coalition is is um attempting to govern in some form or 58:59 at least or at least pretending to. And so the question is, you know, what does it mean? Can you have a sort of a 59:06 governing philosophy that is at once kind of ethnationalist, religiously 59:11 traditionalist and technoacelerationist? And you know I I will say if you read 59:17 you know pe people can check out his his work that was published in this volume xenos systems from a decade ago I mean 59:24 he does kind of grapple with this question at length. I won't I won't summarize it all but you know it's it's 59:31 it's it it's quite prescient in the sense that I think he's he's writing from the 59:37 perspective of like wow I'm in this weird blogosphere space with all these other fringe right-wing people. Um, and 59:44 we all hate the same stuff, but we seem to think completely opposite things. And in some sense now that is the kind of 59:51 contradiction of like the governing coalition of the United States.

Ashley:

 59:58 Yeah. I just don't think he realizes how much the World Economic Forum and all the wokes that he hates are saying the 1:00:05 exact same thing as them, just with a facade of liberalism or a facade of like 1:00:10 wanting to stop. I'm not sure that they are. I don't know. I don't know. 

 

1:00:15 Yeah, you and I should we should talk about this more. I will say what? Yeah. But no, I was just going to say we 1:00:21 should talk about this more on blame theory which listeners should check out the blame theory podcast 1:00:26 because it ties into our recent series on the crisis of liberalism because I think you know one interesting about 1:00:32 Land particularly more recent Land is he's you know attempting to rescue what he calls paleoliberalism 1:00:39 you know which which is essentially and this is where you know in in some ways he's a kind of you know he he's a he's 1:00:46 one of to use Quinn Sloian's term Hex bastards. I mean, he's a he's a kind of neohayakian 1:00:52 because he wants to rescue this notion of paleoliberalism, which is just sort of unregulated markets, the invisible 1:00:59 hand, etc. um in in his interview with uh Dugan and 1:01:05 or his conversation with Dugan I believe he cites uh Gert GOETHE he talks about the invisible hand but he also cites GOETHE'S FAUST ..........  the passage where Mephostophles describes himself as um a part of that 1:01:19 force that always seeks evil but always causes good. 1:01:26 And so again, this is kind of this connection of the demon, you know, the invisible hand of capital to the 1:01:31 demonic. Um, so and I mean he makes that explicit in 1:01:37 the in the conversation with Dugan. So he, you know, he so he is essentially 1:01:44 he's trying to argue that you can isolate a kind of paleoliberalism as he calls it from all the bad stuff that 1:01:51 that comes later. And you know, I think I think you and I 1:01:57 should probably discuss this more in another context. Um, 1:02:02 but that that's kind of where where um where he fits into the discourse and and I do think he 1:02:09 he represents something in I mean there are  Various Things That Are Really Significant To This Administration. You 1:02:14 Know, He He Kind Of Wants To Argue You Can Have A Kind Of Radical Free Market Liberalism But In One Country Like The 1:02:20 Anglosphere Can Have Radical Free Market Liberalism But Then You Know You Can 1:02:26 Protect That Within Tariff Walls I Guess And Then You Know Russian Society Can 1:02:31 Have Another Economic Order That's More Reflective Of Its Sort Of Ethnicultural 1:02:37 Uh Disposition. So that that sort of seems to be where he and Dugan try to find some sort of common ground. And so 1:02:43 then the question is, okay, but can you have a liberalism that isn't about, you 1:02:49 know, that that isn't fundamentally committed to free trade? Um, 1:02:55 you know, in his current iteration, Lan sort of seems to be saying this, 1:03:01 uh, that that you can have kind of liberalism in one country to paraphrase Stalin.

 1:03:09 Yes. Uh it's yeah it's extremely interesting and actually brings to a head so many of the kind of 1:03:16 contradictions that we've been talking about in that series. So I have to think about this because there's about 17 1:03:22 different strands I've been trying to follow and uh I at the moment I feel like that meme of that guy with like all 1:03:29 the threads on the board and he's like you know connecting pictures on a board. That's what I feel like at the moment. 1:03:35 I'll have to sort through what the hell is heck is going on here. So let's let's 1:03:40 talk about this more but um yeah I don't know it's got this is what 1:03:46 happens when you accelerate the economic side without the political yeah 1:03:52 so we we'll we'll continue this discussion in blame theory so check that out everybody uh look on on your 1:03:59 favorite podcast app blame theory podcast with me and Ashley uh to be discussed 1:04:06 can you have liberalism in one CUNTTREEhousing WaldBesetzung PropJacked

And and additionally, I should also add 1:04:12 uh a couple years ago, Nick Land published a few things in the pages of 1:04:17 compact. So people can check those out. They're actually somewhat uncharacteristic of his work because 1:04:24 they're about the English literary cannon starting with the biblical translation of William Tinddale and 1:04:30 going up to the works of Joseph Conrad. So it it may be the only uh place where 1:04:37 he has written at length about sort of classic works of English literature. 1:04:43 And so that's definitely worth uh worth a read. Three three essays you can find by Nick Land in in the pages of compact 1:04:50 which I believe at this point are his most recent kind of long form writing. 

He does he does tweet, but um and and 1:04:58 they're they're striking and sort of uncharacteristic in in some ways, although also tying they do tie in in in 1:05:04 fascinating ways to some of the themes I brought up. Other than that, people should check out uh Fang Numina if 1:05:10 they're interested in understanding his work. It's a collection published by 1:05:15 Urbanomic Press uh in 2011 of his his major writings from the mostly from the 1:05:22 1990s. So uh if people want to get a deeper sense of what I was talking about there 

1:05:28 and finally people can also check out the CCRU writings 1997 to 2003 which is 1:05:34 a set of collaborative writings he did with his colleagues at the University of Warick in the late 90s into the early 1:05:42 2000s and uh they're they're extremely strange and that's where you can find out about the numogram that that appears 1:05:49 in that uh you know now iconic image of Tucker are looking very befuddled and it 1:05:55 it's the numogram. The significance of it is explained at length in that volume of CCRU writings 1997 to 2003. 1:06:04 With that, thanks to Ashley, thank you Jeff. And thank you listeners. For more, 1:06:12 go to compactmag.com/subscribe.